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I need your help. If I write my third paper in my usual style (disorganized, meandering, nonsensical ...), my identity will show through. That's either bad for me and good for you, or vice-vice versa -- but we can all agree that masking my identity is the best private strategy for all of us -- e.g. if low self-confidence makes a student act like a teacher's pet, the former of which only the student can know, the latter only the public. (Is this like re-characterizing the numbers in the prisoner's dilemma grid, so that the selfish actor helps all the actors?)


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I need your help. If I write my third paper in my usual style (disorganized, meandering, nonsensical ...), my identity will show through. That's either bad for me and good for you, or vice-vice versa -- but we can all agree that masking my identity is the best private strategy for all of us -- e.g. if low self-confidence makes a student act like a teacher's pet, and only he can know the former, only the public the latter. ( What does this have to do with the prisoner's dilemma? )
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I need your help. If I write my third paper in my usual style (disorganized, meandering, nonsensical ...), my identity will show through. That's either bad for me and good for you, or vice-vice versa -- but we can all agree that masking my identity is the best private strategy for all of us -- e.g. if low self-confidence makes a student act like a teacher's pet, the former of which only the student can know, the latter only the public. (Is this like re-characterizing the numbers in the prisoner's dilemma grid, so that the selfish actor helps all the actors?)
 So, please tell me how you would have written this essay, so I can make this essay look as generic as possible. Thanks.
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 Title: "Taking my Father's Oath"

Theme: aspirations hit reality

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 What happens when a law student was asked "why do you want to be a lawyer?"
  • Parents teach us to prefer action to speech: being nervous whether we'll function in their absence, they have brainwashed us (axis: strength of surveillance, cf. Rapaczynski) to Do not Think, Act not Write, be not just Good, but Verifiably Good.
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* visible tension IN ME between justice and cynicism -- "I want power and hate myself", a mark of being a surgeon's son, but isn't that EXACTLY the character of persons who grow up to get power? e.g. in the allegory of the cave, the folks who bother leaving the cave and learning how things work, are motivated by condescension and impatience towards folks in the cave, and a fascination with shit. Literally, with human feces.
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* I am flummoxed whenever I juxtapose the notion that words are "merely" labels, with the observation that language is power. * All my classmates said they wanted to pursue justice. So why did they come to law school? To write “fair trade” on lattes? An army crawls on its stomach: The state speaks on behalf of police, and its licensed advocates can represent any client they want to. That we perfunctorily remind each other to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s doesn’t make us any less mercenary than any other agent. * "Preamble: A lawyer's responsibilities": [1] A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice".
        • ZEALOUS REPRESENTATION: as long as your client can cover the costs, do everything you can that is not a lie.
        • [how do you distinguish between a lie and bad zealousness/rule 11? The legal system, like its members, doesn't KNOW anything objectively. Every professional & nonprofessional does the following: he answers to his conscience [/preferences] & the consciences of those who can hurt him. Professionals cherish their club membership and can be blackmailed accordingly. Formal club ethics only matter insofar as the club can blackmail, contractually and/or legislatively. "A lawyer is a person who markets himself to a client of his choice, then does whatever the fuck he wants until he gets fired -- or disbarred." Ethics thus is only tangentially related to ethical behavior: Ethical question get hairy, but ethics-as-power always gets answered: You can monetize questions that way, in terms of risk assessment. * Sure, blackmail solves prisoner's dilemmas. But when work is hard to account for (quality hard to surveil, e.g. translators / BCG / behavior of children & lawyers), P-dilemmas get solved by internalization-superego-brainwashing. Rapaczynsky is wrong to think this is unique to the pre-modern state. * A lot of us say we want justice, (mothers'nachas) … but it seems we have chosen the wrong profession to do that, unless our mothers are dearly deceived: To achieve justice (including self-help), Correlate justice with prestige -- help others do the same; help others trust you to help them * Like every professional, the lawyer chooses his clients to maximize his nachas-product in the eyes of his mother. Our mothers are as hypocritical as we are: they like to hear words that can be syllogized to justice, but see conspicuous consumption Lawyers, more than any other professional, can syllogize the rhetoric of conspicuous consumption to the rhetoric of justice. Nothing uniquely justice-ish or powerish about JD and bar-passage (esp. “getting a JD opens doors, and gives access to levers of power, such that a person who wanted to do justice, would be wise to get a JD”)
* visible tension IN ME between justice and cynicism -- "I want power and hate myself", the mark of a surgeon's "son," is EXACTLY the character of persons will get power -- e.g. in the allegory of the cave, the folks who bother leaving the cave and learning how things work, are motivated by condescension and impatience towards folks in the cave, and a fascination with, literally, how shit works.
  * Notice the irreverence of the surgeons in MASH. We want to be surgeons of Leviathans. Isn't that what Spitzer is getting punished for? * "chronic irreverence:" criticizing everything Eben and the readings say: e.g. attacking functionalism (Jerome Frank) in E’s class, ; using functionalism to attack tort law (my B- and my downhill epic); elsewhere
        • Define irreverence. ("Being nice to everyone except the people who can hurt you.") I thought it was unique to me, but Fagan says we’re all addicted to it.
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Firms will give us money, we'll give some to charity, call our philanthropy Justice.

  1. We think, "But maybe it's just a narrative," and we say, "Yeah, we're cynical law students."
  2. We think, "But we're selling our souls -- cynicism is evil," and we say "No, debt compelled us." (We HAVE to eat our classmates.)
  3. We think, "But we chose this," and we say, "But we couldn't have known."

We're right. Society sent us False Signals.

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  • Socrates said everyone knew justice; then we were born, forgot it, and are struggling to remember it.
    • I can only remember INJUSTICE, i.e. crying when I got pushed
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      1. whose "self" is a thing whose changes they call "choice" -- i.e. whose changes, which they believe can be fully accounted for by internal changes reflecting outside changes, they believe they can call "spontaneous." PROBLEM: the model is full of people who make very bad choices.
      2. who assume the sort of self that can choose, "What degree of altruism to take?" But who decides the boundaries of Self that separate altruism from selfishness? That's the OUTSIDE SELF.
      3. We're living in a hearsay society -- magic (oaths on bibles, or other grounds to trust in character) is the very evidence we seek to "weigh".
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* How can I use the allegory of the cave to describe my own thought process, without sounding like I am claiming objectively/superior insight?
  • Ask yourself some simple questions about mazes, like, "How do you get out of a maze? How do you know when you're outside the maze? Under what conditions is it IMPOSSIBLE for a maze to be exited?" And it turns out: I happen to think that human existence is one of those mazes that can never be exited (for any number of reasons -- though I prefer "because the maze was built around us at the very moment when we were built"). We are surrounded by people who can solve problems in a way that looks, to us, like MAGIC. That's the closest evidence that an EXTERNAL observer can use to measure the likelihood that another person has ACTUALLY been out in the sun; a person cannot make the judgment of himself. It comes back to the basic Plato/Socrates paradox, "which one was the prophet, and how do we know?"
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* The cave-leaving intention: Ask yourself some simple questions about mazes, like, "How do you get out of a maze? How do you know when you're outside the maze? Under what conditions is it IMPOSSIBLE for a maze to be exited?"
  • Mellifluous answers, right or wrong, are cave-leavings: e.g. human existence is one of those mazes that can never be exited (for any number of reasons -- though I prefer "because the maze was built around us at the very moment when we were built"). We are surrounded by people who can solve problems in a way that looks, to us, like MAGIC. That's the closest evidence that an EXTERNAL observer can use to measure the likelihood that another person has ACTUALLY been out in the sun; a person cannot make the judgment of himself. It comes back to the basic Plato/Socrates paradox, "which one was the prophet, and how do we know?"
 
  • I have been remembering Jacques-Louis David's The Death Of Socrates. I cannot decide whether David wanted us to imagine Plato as physically present at Socrates's execution, or whether David wants us to imagine Plato's texts as "constructions" ("lies") in which he pretends to be an unobserved fly on the wall. It dissatisfies me -- and rouses me to action -- to think that I cannot "learn" whether Plato was merely a faithful journalist (stenographer), or was the ultimate Jayson Blair -- it is harder to decide, because there seem to be two Platos; the second is touching Socrates's knee. It also dissatisfies me to know that we cannot tell prophets from normal men. And that we cannot tell power from justice. Strict liability from negligence. anything from anything. DIGNITY FROM PROSPERITY. ANOMIE FROM HAPPINESS. ROUSSEAU FROM HAYEK/ADAM SMITH. ERNST BLOCH FROM PETER DRUCKER. * "lawyers are interpreters -- memorizers of dictionaries; professors write the dictionaries." i.e. professors DEFINE justice, lawyers FIND and SIGNAL it. (but that sounds specious -- perhaps the difference is the type of client and the cost structure. i.e. Tenure as the means to attain independence; publications as the way to attain prestige -- a question of how each vocation signals-out its most prestigious members. NARRATIVE CONTROL: who decides what narratives are permissible? WHO MAKES CULTURE?)
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      • I’ve always sympathized with Marxists and Christians. Not that I’m swept up by their logic; but my gut says we’ve not yet defined “progress” or “justice” so that it empowers us to stop making things worse.
      • I strongly suspect Eben's message would have been more welcome last year at Admitted Students Week, but I tried it this year and got called

* Describe or demonstrate the concept of "sheep in wolf's clothing": Convince liberals to read Peter Drucker, teacher of backhanded functionalism, the non-atheist version of Mother Theresa (“in order to maximize shareholder value, you need to be socially responsible.” What a noble lie!) (WHY do I always have to write essays starting with the assumption that no one's heard of Peter Drucker? There are three people in this world I'm incapable of questioning: Darwin, William James, and Peter Drucker.)

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* Is the cost of law school so high BECAUSE Dean Schizer expects that we'll make so much money from Big Firms? ... are Schizer and Big Firms MAKING the decision to go to law school be a decision to work at a Big Firm? ... who do we blame? the Big Firms are capable of making the Schizers think that what they do is prestigious (or whoever it is who appoints our deans) -- but Wasn't it the Saintly Barbara Black who started CLS down the corporate law track, anyhow? On the subject of good intentions and hell, who needs allegories when you've got real life?
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* False signals: But, is the cost of law school so high BECAUSE Dean Schizer expects that we'll make so much money from Big Firms? ... are Schizer and Big Firms MAKING the decision to go to law school be a decision to work at a Big Firm? ... who do we blame? the Big Firms are capable of making the Schizers think that what they do is prestigious (or whoever it is who appoints our deans) -- but Wasn't it the Saintly Barbara Black who started CLS down the corporate law track, anyhow? On the subject of good intentions and hell, who needs allegories when you've got real life?
  * I believe that the corporation is the best cost structure for marketing and innovating visions of justice. My market research suggests that there is a customer for an antidepressant that relieves anxiety produced when impersonal, publicly traded corporations move into one’s neighborhood: the voter and churchgoer; the unionized employee and her manager; and the senior on Medicare, Columbia law professor, and nostalgic former Marxist (i.e. my thesis adviser). That antidepressant will be consumed ocularly, i.e. in the form of books, essays and editorials. My business plan is to obtain tenure at a university, so that my factory will never be overwhelmed by costs. My challenge is believing that such a product exists. I don’t even know whether publicly traded companies believe in it—whether, for example, pharmaceutical companies agree what degree of external regulation the industry should invite upon itself, in order for its members to maximize their sum and share of short-term and long-term social value. I do not know how much of a socialist my books should portray me as. That is why I want to work for Bristol-Myers Squibb: I trust their opinion, more than I trust the opinion of a private nonprofit with a private agenda, because it is the function of a publicly traded corporation to answer this question correctly. * Die Gedanken Sind Frei : isn't that a name for an antidepressant?
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* Does anyone here still believe that words are more likely than bullets or money to achieve the state we call justice? Or that lawyering has more to do with words? An army crawls on its stomach: The state speaks on behalf of police, and its licensed advocates can represent any client they want – by revealed preference. That we perfunctorily remind each other to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s doesn’t make us any less mercenary than any other agent. All my classmates said they wanted to pursue justice. So why did they come to law school? “I hate myself and want power” (surgeon’s words) versus “I wanted to grow up to be a writer whose words caused justice.” (writing “fair trade” on lattes.) * "A LAWYER'S RESPONSIBILITIES (http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/preamble.html) [1] A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice".
        • Professional ethics –ZEALOUS REPRESENTATION: “within the power permitted by the costs your client can pay for, do everything you can that is not a lie.” [how do you distinguish between a lie and bad zealousness? ethics from rule 11? The legal system has certain minimum information costs—the more data we gather, the better our confidence interval—the deviation gets smaller and smaller??—but the legal system, like its persons, doesn’t know anything objectively. LAWYERS DOCTORS AND EVERYONE ELSE DO THE SAME THING – THEY ANSWER TO THEIR CONSCIENCES AND THE CONSCIENCES OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN PUNISH THEM. But you might just say “preferences”. You’re a member in a club: Professional selves just add one level of accountability (Medicine law teachers professors (plagiarism)). There’s no qualitivative difference for people with formal ethics – it’s just another organization that can penalize them for disappointing it. All enforceable ethics are contractual or legislative; this model doesn’t actually require ethics to be ethical. Ethical question get hairy, but ethics-as-power always gets answered: You can monetize questions that way, in terms of risk assessment STEVE: professional ethics is the perpetuation of a set of threats and promises; because you create a plausible system through which you can solve prisoner’s dilemmas It is in the interest of defendant, state too, to have a mediator who abides by a code of honor—someone who has a reputational stake in a set of behaviors. A faithful translator – a man with ethical stakes as well—Otherwise, “a lack of recognition” … * I am flummoxed whenever I juxtapose the notion that words are "merely" labels, with the observation that language is power. * Like every professional, the lawyer chooses his clients to maximize his nachas-product in the eyes of his mother. And most mothers—bless their hearts—are as hypocritical as we are: they like to hear words that can be syllogized to justice, but consumption that is conspicuous. Lawyers, more than any other professional, can syllogize the rhetoric of conspicuous consumption to the rhetoric of justice. * A lot of us say we want justice, (mothers'nachas) … but it seems we have chosen the wrong profession to do that, unless our mothers are dearly deceived: To achieve justice (including self-help), Correlate justice with prestige -- help others do the same; help others trust you to help them * incidentally, do lawyers REALLY do anything special with words? We have a code of ethics -- but that's like saying we choose TWO clients: the bar association and whoever else we want. "A lawyer is a person who markets himself to a client of his choice, then does whatever the fuck he wants until he gets fired -- or disbarred." * Is our assumption/belief true, that there’s something uniquely justice-ish or powerish about the JD and bar-passage? (esp. “getting a JD opens doors, and gives access to levers of power, such that a person who wanted to do justice, would be wise to get a JD”)
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  • I have a nightmare, that in my lifetime technology will continue to improve. And as the bread and circuses grow more complex, Americans will lose faith in anyone’s ability to predict their own tastes; and as the logistics of distribution grow more complex, Americans will lose patience in ability of a centralized decision-maker to provide the RIGHT bread and circuses. Bureaucrats will replace legislatures, and corporations will replace bureaucracies; Marketing will replace elections, and all values will be monetized; Senates will be usurped by Boards of Directors; Presidents will yield to CEOs; ... The publicly-held corporation will assume the function of the state ...
  • I have a dream, that one day Boards of Directors will stop firing CEOs who don’t brainwash the species into “voluntary” servitude.
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I need your help. If I write my third paper in my usual style (disorganized, meandering, nonsensical ...), my identity will show through. That's either bad for me and good for you, or vice-vice versa -- but we can all agree that masking my identity is the best private strategy for all of us -- e.g. if low self-confidence makes a student act like a teacher's pet, and only he can know the former, only the public the latter. ( What does this have to do with the prisoner's dilemma? )
 So, please tell me how you would have written this essay, so I can make this essay look as generic as possible. Thanks.

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I need your help. As you will soon discover, I have this really "distinctive" writing style (I'll confess: it's disorganized, meandering, and nonsensical!) ... and I'm concerned that, if I write my third paper in this way, my identity will show through, and the paper won't be graded anonymously. That's bad for me, if my identity bumps by grade DOWN; but it could be bad for you, if my identity bumps me UP. So (unless someone can show me evidence of where I ranked on Eben's scale of dislike -- which, haha, you can't, because you don't know who I am) I'm doing us BOTH a favor by asking for your help: As I compose my third paper (below), please help me make it less disorganized, meandering, and nonsensical, so as to conceal my identity from Eben. (I guess you should try to help me make the the style of my paper to look as though YOU had written it; if enough of you help me do that, the paper will look absolutely generic. Thanks.)
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Motif 1: Surgeon : body :: "first do no harm" : organs :::: lawyer : state :: "first do no harm" : bodies

Motif 2: Reading and/or editing Eben's mind: Why exactly did Eben tell me not to take his class when he heard the nihilism of a surgeon's son? Isn't the person most needful of a hypocratic oath, precisely the aspiring surgeon of Leviathans?

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  • Isn't the person most needful of a hypocratic oath, precisely the aspiring surgeon of Leviathans?
  • Surgeon : body :: "first do no harm" : organs :::: lawyer : state :: "first do no harm" : bodies
What happens when a law student was asked "why do you want to be a lawyer?"
  • Parents teach us to prefer action to speech: being nervous whether we'll function in their absence, they have brainwashed us (axis: strength of surveillance, cf. Rapaczynski) to Do not Think, Act not Write, be not just Good, but Verifiably Good.
    • Assumption: we are as risk averse as our parents; only, we decline another's brainwashing when we think we can surveil ourselves, i.e. recalibration
* visible tension IN ME between justice and cynicism -- "I want power and hate myself", a mark of being a surgeon's son, but isn't that EXACTLY the character of persons who grow up to get power? e.g. in the allegory of the cave, the folks who bother leaving the cave and learning how things work, are motivated by condescension and impatience towards folks in the cave, and a fascination with shit. Literally, with human feces. * Notice the irreverence of the surgeons in MASH. We want to be surgeons of Leviathans. Isn't that what Spitzer is getting punished for? * "chronic irreverence:" criticizing everything Eben and the readings say: e.g. attacking functionalism (Jerome Frank) in E’s class, ; using functionalism to attack tort law (my B- and my downhill epic); elsewhere
        • Define irreverence. ("Being nice to everyone except the people who can hurt you.") I thought it was unique to me, but Fagan says we’re all addicted to it.
 
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      • Flirted a few months with being a ballerina. Finally decided to be a writer.
      • We chose law school because it seemed the least-risky (viable) way to express ourselves in a way we enjoyed. Either the market, or us, is to blame for our not being freelance writers ... But we make the market. (consumer preferences is "just us.")
    • My disenchantment with law school: Not where/how a person facile with words can maximize his power/pleasure. e.g. limited marketing (client base/character) & innovation (fixed law)
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    • FedSoc? ? / WSJ / Ayne Rand / hedgehog libertarians: Assume a "self", which may choose whatever degree of altruism to take.” But who decides what altruism IS / who defines the self? That's a choice external to the self, a function of education, marketing, campaigning, trust, map-writing -- how do we distinguish these from propaganda, exploitation, slavery, campaigns from propaganda? We're living in a hearsay society -- magic (oaths on bibles, or other grounds to trust in character) is the only evidence we "weigh".
      • Rousseau’s lawmaker, which is anyone who is observed. We’re going to have to be comfortable with the threat of a slippery slope – that sharing is telling others what to do. There's no such thing as freedom. So what is NOT “responsibility” and “duty”?
      • The Allegory of the Maze: "How can I use the allegory of the cave to describe my own thought process, without making it sound like I am claiming insight that others lack?" Ask yourself some simple questions about mazes, like, "How do you get out of a maze? How do you know when you're outside the maze? Under what conditions is it IMPOSSIBLE for a maze to be exited?" And it turns out: I happen to think that human existence is one of those mazes that can never be exited (for any number of reasons -- though I prefer "because the maze was built around us at the very moment when we were built"). We are surrounded by people who can solve problems in a way that looks, to us, like MAGIC. That's the closest evidence that an EXTERNAL observer can use to measure the likelihood that another person has ACTUALLY been out in the sun; a person cannot make the judgment of himself. It comes back to the basic Plato/Socrates paradox, "which one was the prophet, and how do we know?"
      • I’ve always sympathized with Marxists and Christians. Not that I’m swept up by their logic; but my gut says we’ve not yet defined “progress” or “justice” so that it empowers us to stop making things worse.
      • I strongly suspect Eben's message would have been more welcome last year at Admitted Students Week, but I tried it this year and got called dirty names.
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  • all acts are externalities
    • (good or bad?) (long term or short term?) (so labeled by a court, or not?))
    • Education, marketing, campaigning, trust, map-writing -- how do we distinguish these from propaganda, exploitation, slavery, campaigns from propaganda? -- how do we distinguish positive from negative externalities?
  • We’re going to have to be comfortable with the threat of a slippery slope – that sharing is telling others what to do. There's no such thing as freedom: nothing is NOT “responsibility” and “duty”.
    • My enemy: Objectivists.
      1. whose "self" is a thing whose changes they call "choice" -- i.e. whose changes, which they believe can be fully accounted for by internal changes reflecting outside changes, they believe they can call "spontaneous." PROBLEM: the model is full of people who make very bad choices.
      2. who assume the sort of self that can choose, "What degree of altruism to take?" But who decides the boundaries of Self that separate altruism from selfishness? That's the OUTSIDE SELF.
      3. We're living in a hearsay society -- magic (oaths on bibles, or other grounds to trust in character) is the very evidence we seek to "weigh".

* How can I use the allegory of the cave to describe my own thought process, without sounding like I am claiming objectively/superior insight?

  • Ask yourself some simple questions about mazes, like, "How do you get out of a maze? How do you know when you're outside the maze? Under what conditions is it IMPOSSIBLE for a maze to be exited?" And it turns out: I happen to think that human existence is one of those mazes that can never be exited (for any number of reasons -- though I prefer "because the maze was built around us at the very moment when we were built"). We are surrounded by people who can solve problems in a way that looks, to us, like MAGIC. That's the closest evidence that an EXTERNAL observer can use to measure the likelihood that another person has ACTUALLY been out in the sun; a person cannot make the judgment of himself. It comes back to the basic Plato/Socrates paradox, "which one was the prophet, and how do we know?"
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  • I have been remembering Jacques-Louis David's The Death Of Socrates. I cannot decide whether David wanted us to imagine Plato as physically present at Socrates's execution, or whether David wants us to imagine Plato's texts as "constructions" ("lies") in which he pretends to be an unobserved fly on the wall. It dissatisfies me -- and rouses me to action -- to think that I cannot "learn" whether Plato was merely a faithful journalist (stenographer), or was the ultimate Jayson Blair -- it is harder to decide, because there seem to be two Platos; the second is touching Socrates's knee. It also dissatisfies me to know that we cannot tell prophets from normal men. And that we cannot tell power from justice. Strict liability from negligence. anything from anything. DIGNITY FROM PROSPERITY. ANOMIE FROM HAPPINESS. ROUSSEAU FROM HAYEK/ADAM SMITH. ERNST BLOCH FROM PETER DRUCKER. * "lawyers are interpreters -- memorizers of dictionaries; professors write the dictionaries." i.e. professors DEFINE justice, lawyers FIND and SIGNAL it. (but that sounds specious -- perhaps the difference is the type of client and the cost structure. i.e. Tenure as the means to attain independence; publications as the way to attain prestige -- a question of how each vocation signals-out its most prestigious members. NARRATIVE CONTROL: who decides what narratives are permissible? WHO MAKES CULTURE?) Interpreting isn't bad work, but I want to be the person who writes the original text.
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      • I’ve always sympathized with Marxists and Christians. Not that I’m swept up by their logic; but my gut says we’ve not yet defined “progress” or “justice” so that it empowers us to stop making things worse.
      • I strongly suspect Eben's message would have been more welcome last year at Admitted Students Week, but I tried it this year and got called

  * Describe or demonstrate the concept of "sheep in wolf's clothing": Convince liberals to read Peter Drucker, teacher of backhanded functionalism, the non-atheist version of Mother Theresa (“in order to maximize shareholder value, you need to be socially responsible.” What a noble lie!) (WHY do I always have to write essays starting with the assumption that no one's heard of Peter Drucker? There are three people in this world I'm incapable of questioning: Darwin, William James, and Peter Drucker.) * Is the cost of law school so high BECAUSE Dean Schizer expects that we'll make so much money from Big Firms? ... are Schizer and Big Firms MAKING the decision to go to law school be a decision to work at a Big Firm? ... who do we blame? the Big Firms are capable of making the Schizers think that what they do is prestigious (or whoever it is who appoints our deans) -- but Wasn't it the Saintly Barbara Black who started CLS down the corporate law track, anyhow? On the subject of good intentions and hell, who needs allegories when you've got real life? * I believe that the corporation is the best cost structure for marketing and innovating visions of justice. My market research suggests that there is a customer for an antidepressant that relieves anxiety produced when impersonal, publicly traded corporations move into one’s neighborhood: the voter and churchgoer; the unionized employee and her manager; and the senior on Medicare, Columbia law professor, and nostalgic former Marxist (i.e. my thesis adviser). That antidepressant will be consumed ocularly, i.e. in the form of books, essays and editorials. My business plan is to obtain tenure at a university, so that my factory will never be overwhelmed by costs. My challenge is believing that such a product exists. I don’t even know whether publicly traded companies believe in it—whether, for example, pharmaceutical companies agree what degree of external regulation the industry should invite upon itself, in order for its members to maximize their sum and share of short-term and long-term social value. I do not know how much of a socialist my books should portray me as. That is why I want to work for Bristol-Myers Squibb: I trust their opinion, more than I trust the opinion of a private nonprofit with a private agenda, because it is the function of a publicly traded corporation to answer this question correctly.

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Dear class,

I need your help. As you will soon discover, I have this really "distinctive" writing style (I'll confess: it's disorganized, meandering, and nonsensical!) ... and I'm concerned that, if I write my third paper in this way, my identity will show through, and the paper won't be graded anonymously. That's bad for me, if my identity bumps by grade DOWN; but it could be bad for you, if my identity bumps me UP. So (unless someone can show me evidence of where I ranked on Eben's scale of dislike -- which, haha, you can't, because you don't know who I am) I'm doing us BOTH a favor by asking for your help: As I compose my third paper (below), please help me make it less disorganized, meandering, and nonsensical, so as to conceal my identity from Eben. (I guess you should try to help me make the the style of my paper to look as though YOU had written it; if enough of you help me do that, the paper will look absolutely generic. Thanks.)

(Because this thread is now anonymous, I suppose that Eben reads further at his own risk (i.e. of inferring something he could get penalized for knowing)



(This starts out as an old idea I had for my second paper ... ... for clarity, I have replaced all uses of the phrase "2nd paper" with "3rd paper".)

If anyone wants to trade 2nd 3rd paper ideas, please shoot me an email. [redacted]

Second Draft:

Title: "Taking my Father's Oath"

Theme: aspirations hit reality

Motif 1: Surgeon : body :: "first do no harm" : organs :::: lawyer : state :: "first do no harm" : bodies

Motif 2: Reading and/or editing Eben's mind: Why exactly did Eben tell me not to take his class when he heard the nihilism of a surgeon's son? Isn't the person most needful of a hypocratic oath, precisely the aspiring surgeon of Leviathans?

Motif 3: Speech versus action (a private text we all seem to share, because parents by definition prefer action to speech, because they want us to be comfortable not starving: being nervous, as to how we will function in their absence (weak surveillance state, cf. Rapaczynski), they have brainwashed us to, in their absence, Do not Think, Act not Write). GIVEN THAT WE ARE NOT AS RISK-AVERSE AS OUR PARENTS (we needn't brainwash ourselves, because we can constantly surveil ourselves), WE NEED TO RECALIBRATE THIS [FALSE] DICHOTOMY FOR OURSELVES.

 
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POSSIBLE SPECIFIC STORIES: (the PAPER will aspire to remove MOST of these and make the remaining ones COHERENT)

Firms will give us money, we'll give some to charity, call our philanthropy Justice.

  1. We think, "But maybe it's just a narrative," and we say, "Yeah, we're cynical law students."
  2. We think, "But we're selling our souls -- cynicism is evil," and we say "No, debt compelled us." (We HAVE to eat our classmates.)
  3. We think, "But we chose this," and we say, "But we couldn't have known."

We're right. Society sent us False Signals.

  • Socrates said everyone knew justice; then we were born, forgot it, and are struggling to remember it.
    • I can only remember INJUSTICE, i.e. crying when I got pushed
      • Justice as self-defense: when mom told me to practice cello, I didn’
      • Altruism as means to that end: convincing others that the people pushing me were pushing them too.
      • Hating movie previews: my friends raced to see them; but I said, "I didn't pay to be fucked with." (Andrew, age ten, learning that marketing is brainwashing.)
      • Flirted a few months with being a ballerina. Finally decided to be a writer.
      • We chose law school because it seemed the least-risky (viable) way to express ourselves in a way we enjoyed. Either the market, or us, is to blame for our not being freelance writers ... But we make the market. (consumer preferences is "just us.")
    • My disenchantment with law school: Not where/how a person facile with words can maximize his power/pleasure. e.g. limited marketing (client base/character) & innovation (fixed law)
    • FedSoc? ? / WSJ / Ayne Rand / hedgehog libertarians: Assume a "self", which may choose whatever degree of altruism to take.” But who decides what altruism IS / who defines the self? That's a choice external to the self, a function of education, marketing, campaigning, trust, map-writing -- how do we distinguish these from propaganda, exploitation, slavery, campaigns from propaganda? We're living in a hearsay society -- magic (oaths on bibles, or other grounds to trust in character) is the only evidence we "weigh".
      • Rousseau’s lawmaker, which is anyone who is observed. We’re going to have to be comfortable with the threat of a slippery slope – that sharing is telling others what to do. There's no such thing as freedom. So what is NOT “responsibility” and “duty”?
      • The Allegory of the Maze: "How can I use the allegory of the cave to describe my own thought process, without making it sound like I am claiming insight that others lack?" Ask yourself some simple questions about mazes, like, "How do you get out of a maze? How do you know when you're outside the maze? Under what conditions is it IMPOSSIBLE for a maze to be exited?" And it turns out: I happen to think that human existence is one of those mazes that can never be exited (for any number of reasons -- though I prefer "because the maze was built around us at the very moment when we were built"). We are surrounded by people who can solve problems in a way that looks, to us, like MAGIC. That's the closest evidence that an EXTERNAL observer can use to measure the likelihood that another person has ACTUALLY been out in the sun; a person cannot make the judgment of himself. It comes back to the basic Plato/Socrates paradox, "which one was the prophet, and how do we know?"
      • I’ve always sympathized with Marxists and Christians. Not that I’m swept up by their logic; but my gut says we’ve not yet defined “progress” or “justice” so that it empowers us to stop making things worse.
      • I strongly suspect Eben's message would have been more welcome last year at Admitted Students Week, but I tried it this year and got called dirty names.
  • I have been remembering Jacques-Louis David's The Death Of Socrates. I cannot decide whether David wanted us to imagine Plato as physically present at Socrates's execution, or whether David wants us to imagine Plato's texts as "constructions" ("lies") in which he pretends to be an unobserved fly on the wall. It dissatisfies me -- and rouses me to action -- to think that I cannot "learn" whether Plato was merely a faithful journalist (stenographer), or was the ultimate Jayson Blair -- it is harder to decide, because there seem to be two Platos; the second is touching Socrates's knee. It also dissatisfies me to know that we cannot tell prophets from normal men. And that we cannot tell power from justice. Strict liability from negligence. anything from anything. DIGNITY FROM PROSPERITY. ANOMIE FROM HAPPINESS. ROUSSEAU FROM HAYEK/ADAM SMITH. ERNST BLOCH FROM PETER DRUCKER. * "lawyers are interpreters -- memorizers of dictionaries; professors write the dictionaries." i.e. professors DEFINE justice, lawyers FIND and SIGNAL it. (but that sounds specious -- perhaps the difference is the type of client and the cost structure. i.e. Tenure as the means to attain independence; publications as the way to attain prestige -- a question of how each vocation signals-out its most prestigious members. NARRATIVE CONTROL: who decides what narratives are permissible? WHO MAKES CULTURE?) Interpreting isn't bad work, but I want to be the person who writes the original text. * tension IN ME between justice and cynicism -- "I want power and hate myself", a mark of being a surgeon's son, but isn't that EXACTLY the character of persons who grow up to get power? e.g. in the allegory of the cave, the folks who bother leaving the cave and learning how things work, are motivated by condescension and impatience towards folks in the cave, and a fascination with shit. Literally, with human feces. * My dad is a surgeon. We want to be surgeons of Leviathans. Notice the irreverence of the surgeons in MASH. Isn't that what Spitzer is getting punished for? * My initial irreverence, criticizing things Eben says and what the readings say: 1 attacking functionalism (Jerome Frank) in E’s class, which is like cutting off nose to spite face 2. Using functionalism to attack tort law (my B- and my downhill epic) * Define irreverence. ("Being nice to everyone except the people who can hurt you.") I thought it was unique to me, but Fagan says we’re all addicted to it. * Describe or demonstrate the concept of "sheep in wolf's clothing": Convince liberals to read Peter Drucker, teacher of backhanded functionalism, the non-atheist version of Mother Theresa (“in order to maximize shareholder value, you need to be socially responsible.” What a noble lie!) (WHY do I always have to write essays starting with the assumption that no one's heard of Peter Drucker? There are three people in this world I'm incapable of questioning: Darwin, William James, and Peter Drucker.) * Is the cost of law school so high BECAUSE Dean Schizer expects that we'll make so much money from Big Firms? ... are Schizer and Big Firms MAKING the decision to go to law school be a decision to work at a Big Firm? ... who do we blame? the Big Firms are capable of making the Schizers think that what they do is prestigious (or whoever it is who appoints our deans) -- but Wasn't it the Saintly Barbara Black who started CLS down the corporate law track, anyhow? On the subject of good intentions and hell, who needs allegories when you've got real life? * I believe that the corporation is the best cost structure for marketing and innovating visions of justice. My market research suggests that there is a customer for an antidepressant that relieves anxiety produced when impersonal, publicly traded corporations move into one’s neighborhood: the voter and churchgoer; the unionized employee and her manager; and the senior on Medicare, Columbia law professor, and nostalgic former Marxist (i.e. my thesis adviser). That antidepressant will be consumed ocularly, i.e. in the form of books, essays and editorials. My business plan is to obtain tenure at a university, so that my factory will never be overwhelmed by costs. My challenge is believing that such a product exists. I don’t even know whether publicly traded companies believe in it—whether, for example, pharmaceutical companies agree what degree of external regulation the industry should invite upon itself, in order for its members to maximize their sum and share of short-term and long-term social value. I do not know how much of a socialist my books should portray me as. That is why I want to work for Bristol-Myers Squibb: I trust their opinion, more than I trust the opinion of a private nonprofit with a private agenda, because it is the function of a publicly traded corporation to answer this question correctly. * Die Gedanken Sind Frei : isn't that a name for an antidepressant? * Does anyone here still believe that words are more likely than bullets or money to achieve the state we call justice? Or that lawyering has more to do with words? An army crawls on its stomach: The state speaks on behalf of police, and its licensed advocates can represent any client they want – by revealed preference. That we perfunctorily remind each other to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s doesn’t make us any less mercenary than any other agent. All my classmates said they wanted to pursue justice. So why did they come to law school? “I hate myself and want power” (surgeon’s words) versus “I wanted to grow up to be a writer whose words caused justice.” (writing “fair trade” on lattes.) * "A LAWYER'S RESPONSIBILITIES (http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/preamble.html) [1] A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice".
        • Professional ethics –ZEALOUS REPRESENTATION: “within the power permitted by the costs your client can pay for, do everything you can that is not a lie.” [how do you distinguish between a lie and bad zealousness? ethics from rule 11? The legal system has certain minimum information costs—the more data we gather, the better our confidence interval—the deviation gets smaller and smaller??—but the legal system, like its persons, doesn’t know anything objectively. LAWYERS DOCTORS AND EVERYONE ELSE DO THE SAME THING – THEY ANSWER TO THEIR CONSCIENCES AND THE CONSCIENCES OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN PUNISH THEM. But you might just say “preferences”. You’re a member in a club: Professional selves just add one level of accountability (Medicine law teachers professors (plagiarism)). There’s no qualitivative difference for people with formal ethics – it’s just another organization that can penalize them for disappointing it. All enforceable ethics are contractual or legislative; this model doesn’t actually require ethics to be ethical. Ethical question get hairy, but ethics-as-power always gets answered: You can monetize questions that way, in terms of risk assessment STEVE: professional ethics is the perpetuation of a set of threats and promises; because you create a plausible system through which you can solve prisoner’s dilemmas It is in the interest of defendant, state too, to have a mediator who abides by a code of honor—someone who has a reputational stake in a set of behaviors. A faithful translator – a man with ethical stakes as well—Otherwise, “a lack of recognition” … * I am flummoxed whenever I juxtapose the notion that words are "merely" labels, with the observation that language is power. * Like every professional, the lawyer chooses his clients to maximize his nachas-product in the eyes of his mother. And most mothers—bless their hearts—are as hypocritical as we are: they like to hear words that can be syllogized to justice, but consumption that is conspicuous. Lawyers, more than any other professional, can syllogize the rhetoric of conspicuous consumption to the rhetoric of justice. * A lot of us say we want justice, (mothers'nachas) … but it seems we have chosen the wrong profession to do that, unless our mothers are dearly deceived: To achieve justice (including self-help), Correlate justice with prestige -- help others do the same; help others trust you to help them * incidentally, do lawyers REALLY do anything special with words? We have a code of ethics -- but that's like saying we choose TWO clients: the bar association and whoever else we want. "A lawyer is a person who markets himself to a client of his choice, then does whatever the fuck he wants until he gets fired -- or disbarred." * Is our assumption/belief true, that there’s something uniquely justice-ish or powerish about the JD and bar-passage? (esp. “getting a JD opens doors, and gives access to levers of power, such that a person who wanted to do justice, would be wise to get a JD”) * The difficult dichotomies of justice v. power; justice v. prestige; justice v. utility; justice v. legitimacy ... sum up my version of functionalism here ... tell the story of my tort law gasket-blowout, where I "learned" that the terminology of case law and legal academia -- tell the story about my security guard, the only guy who understood what I meant when I said that "the law is BULLSHIT." * Plato: there’s enough irony in Plato that … any definition of justice / justifcation of state or human power (action) has to be built on bullshit. * falsifiability -- occam’s razor – two interpretations of occams razor (variables and processing power) – every theory has a visible and an invisible component – occam’s razor hides ideologies – THE CHURCH WAS RIGHT AND COPERNICUS WAS WRONG * A tenured professor is the only person with accountability to no one except himself (especially in the age of organizations) (except that he wants to look good in the eyes of certain people) * Step 1 the rhetoric of choosing a client— * My mock interview – wsj creating value – got laughed at * Why is it different from business school? Do business students laugh at that?—Does lititgation improve productivity? No –But every lawyer has to speak the rhetoric of justice. Commodification of justice – for money you could make your cause just – OJ & Allan Dershowitz. What do I not like about what other people think is legitimate behavior? Dershowitz – defending a man who he thought killed Nicole. Steve’s Claim: What if he thought OJ was guilty, but not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Would I have a problem with that? YES! Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt = a jury would say, “execute him.” That’s something Dershowitz CREATES. The question is, “Does OJ warrant an execution or not—if you were god? D = no, Jury(D)= yes. He marketed oj to a jury, using legal language. WHAT I DESPISE IS, WHEN A LAWYER ATTEMPTS TO CONVINCE A JURY TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE LAWYER WOULD NOT HIMSELF DO IF HE WERE THE JURY. * corporations do the same thing – marketing products that people don’t yet want. (but why is it not analogous to say the that the CEO doesn’t want the schlock? Steve: it’s a little analogous when the CEO says, “my consumers are a bunch of morons”, e.g. Izod CEO: my consumers are only buying sugar and water, and I’m selling for an [X] percent markup, because they’re sheep. A brand is marketing, a brand is condescension (some businesses say no, it’s information; but marketing people agree—it’s the surgery analogy again—to be a good marketer, or a good surgeon, you have to treat the body as an object, ) why do surgeons (et al) not like treating the body as an object, why’s it make “us” depressed?
  • I have a nightmare, that in my lifetime technology will continue to improve. And as the bread and circuses grow more complex, Americans will lose faith in anyone’s ability to predict their own tastes; and as the logistics of distribution grow more complex, Americans will lose patience in ability of a centralized decision-maker to provide the RIGHT bread and circuses. Bureaucrats will replace legislatures, and corporations will replace bureaucracies; Marketing will replace elections, and all values will be monetized; Senates will be usurped by Boards of Directors; Presidents will yield to CEOs; ... The publicly-held corporation will assume the function of the state ...
  • I have a dream, that one day Boards of Directors will stop firing CEOs who don’t brainwash the species into “voluntary” servitude.

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