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Can you sum up the point / thesis of this essay in one or two sentences? Honestly, I think the suffocating recantation of Arnold, the use of multiple (dubiously helpful) metaphors, and the multiple quotations obscures and detracts from the point of your essay. (Note: I am often guilty of this myself).
 
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I also think your description of Holmes' betabilitarian is off the mark by a considerable margin.
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I think my point was that the institutions we belong to define how we think about ourselves and the world, and that changes in institutional culture can thus yield substantive change for the better/towards justice. Law is the ultimate institution. I want to use my time in law school to learn as much as I possibly can and to learn how to use my license to effectively operate within and against institutions. I want to use that license in a way so that I might be given the responsibility of managing institutions as well. I want to make things more efficient and more just and I kind of wanted this paper to be a little pledge to myself.
 
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I appreciate the criticism, though it is a little late in the game. I think my point was that the institutions we belong to define how we think about ourselves and the world, and that changes in institutional culture can thus yield substantive change for the better/towards justice. Law is the ultimate institution. I want to use my time in law school to learn as much as I possibly can and to learn how to use my license to effectively operate within and against institutions. I want to use that license in a way so that I might be given the responsibility of managing institutions as well. I want to make things more efficient and more just and I kind of wanted this paper to be a little pledge to myself.

I am not sure how to explain what that "just" is and so I guess I misused Eben's reference to betabilitarian without proper research. I only used two quotations and I kind of like them so sorry that you didn't. Since this paper gives us the ability to hyperlink without adding clutter, I had fun with my multiple metaphors. Everyone should be as pissed as Mr. Kennedy. The boats are a little much, but I do think they are accurate. I want to have a box filled with 1000 different tools for solving a problem and reaching my goal. There I go again... I will work on that metaphor thing next time.

Anyhow, I know that this thing is all over the place, and I eagerly await Eben's feedback so that next time I can write a paper that means something to you Matt. (Note: I do not mean this sarcastically, I want to write something that anyone can read without feeling suffocated, and perhaps even enjoy).

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I share your curiosity and desire for knowledge, albeit, I think we have entirely different approaches and attitudes on the subject.

(1) I think the character you are looking for is not from Holmes but H.A. Rey. At any rate, I don't see why you are deferential to my comments, especially being off the mark on betabilitarian. I did not give you what I believe Holmes is talking about and I also did not give you any evidence to suggest that you were off the mark--and I don't see why I'm any better authority than you are (save for the fact that I may have looked up the quote).

I looked up betabilitarian too, I just thought you might have some more intimate understanding of the way Holmes used it. I qualified with "I guess" to indicate that I was being deferential because you seemed so sure in your comment.

(2) Like I said, the subject is fine--I just feel like you are experiencing a problem that I often struggle with: you have these metaphors, quotes, and structures you want to use but in the end they detract from the message. Even if you like them and are eloquent, the rather obvious step in my view is to remove the metaphors and replace it with substance. In the end, the essay seems fractured at the midline, because neither idea fits with the other.

I agree that it is fractured at the midline.

(3) This is not so much a comment on the paper and more on the philosophy: You, the betabilitarian, place rather large amounts of confidence in your bets with the Law School and Eben (and in my comment, for god knows why). My confidence in the law school comes from the fact that I am largely in control of my experience here. I feel very comfortable with the odds when I am betting on myself. My confidence in Eben and his class comes from my experience so far. I have a professor who will give me his time and energy, I am thinking harder than I often do, and I am experiencing way more collaboration with my peers than in any class thus far. My deference towards your comments comes from the fact that (a) you were acting pretty sure of yourself, (b) I was responding quickly and not overly concerned with the merits of your argument since I don't plan on making any changes with this paper in the next couple of days, and (c) you didn't enjoy my work.

 
To begin with, let's get the Holmes quote out of the way. It comes from a letter to Frederic

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On one hand, Law in Contemporary Society is a class like any other— it has a slot on our schedules, we get credit, and there will be a grade on our transcripts. On the other hand, this class is a holistic thinking exercise that fosters our personal goals and our relationships with one other. Eben achieves this is by designing this class to appeal to our human sociality and by harnessing the forces that led us to choose to attend law school. Eben is a master institutional architect.
 
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The rituals of the classroom--the music, the lively debate, Eben’s knowledge and war stories, the crowded office hours where students spill out into the hallway-- reinforce Eben's mythology. The wiki adds additional dimensions to the institution's reach and gives us time to play with how we might organize our own institutional efforts. Someone can reroute the wiki's pipelines with a new folder scheme tomorrow, or with little effort as to the how, someone can just participate in this collaborative community.

Eben uses the larger mythology of Columbia Law School to give us a logical structure as to why we must seek more and the ways we might do so. Eben and his class inspire me to yearn for the vast and endless sea.

 

My Feet on the Street (or Marble). Where Do I Start?


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  I agree that it is fractured at the midline.

(3) This is not so much a comment on the paper and more on the philosophy: You, the betabilitarian, place rather large amounts of confidence in your bets with the Law School and Eben (and in my comment, for god knows why).

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My confidence in the law school comes from the fact that I am largely in control of my experience here. I feel very comfortable with the odds when I am betting on myself. My confidence in Eben and his class comes from my experience so far. I have a professor who will give me his time and energy, I am thinking harder than I often do, and I am experiencing way more collaboration with my peers than in any class thus far. My deference towards your comments comes from the fact that (a) you were acting pretty sure of yourself, (b) I was responding quickly and not overly concerned with the merits of your argument since I don't plan on making any changes with this paper in the next couple of days, and (c) you didn't enjoy my work.
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My confidence in the law school comes from the fact that I am largely in control of my experience here. I feel very comfortable with the odds when I am betting on myself. My confidence in Eben and his class comes from my experience so far. I have a professor who will give me his time and energy, I am thinking harder than I often do, and I am experiencing way more collaboration with my peers than in any class thus far. My deference towards your comments comes from the fact that (a) you were acting pretty sure of yourself, (b) I was responding quickly and not overly concerned with the merits of your argument since I don't plan on making any changes with this paper in the next couple of days, and (c) you didn't enjoy my work.

To begin with, let's get the Holmes quote out of the way. It comes from a letter to Frederic Pollock:

Chauncey Wright, a nearly-forgotten philosopher of real merit, taught me when young that I must not say necessary about the universe, that we don't know whether anything is necessary or not. I believe that we can bet on the behavior of the universe in its contact with us. So I describe myself as a bet-abilitarian.

What this does or does not have to do with anything I leave to others to decide.

I of course have a particular problem in commenting on this essay. It is too much about me, and too much of that is flattering (if not flattery). I hope that eventually it will be clear whether some of the social processes I designed and set in motion justify the praise unduly lavished now on the minor phenomenon of a teacher merely but seriously teaching his students.

I am actually the fracture at the midline, and if I were removed, the remaining sections could come together more effectively. Arnold's analysis of the way in which organizations are held together is still appropriate, as you show. His understanding of organizational psychology captured much that would later become so overwhelming as to be (as you show) invisible, because he explicated mechanisms that mass broadcast media would mold into an immense organizational landscape literally unimaginable at the opening of the 20th century.

But the principles of social self-organization represented by the quotation from Antoine de Saint-Exupéry are becoming powerful themselves in the 21st century, as the Net makes it possible to form collaborative organizations stretching across the whole breadth of humanity in the blink of an eye. My work and the work of hundreds of thousands of other people has shown that anarchic production in such communities can not only rival but surpass capitalist innovation, and that cultural distribution will be massively democratized, leading to the collapse of power-concentrating mass media, with equally profound organizational consequences as those that Arnold's writing partially described.

What all those boats are about might otherwise be described as the development of new forms of "institutional architecture" for young people such as yourselves to become masters of. Obviously you will have teachers, and evidently I will be one of them. But by the time you have come fully into your powers we will be gone, and the world to be made will be made as you are beginning to imagine making it.


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 (1) I think the character you are looking for is not from Holmes but H.A. Rey. At any rate, I don't see why you are deferential to my comments, especially being off the mark on betabilitarian. I did not give you what I believe Holmes is talking about and I also did not give you any evidence to suggest that you were off the mark--and I don't see why I'm any better authority than you are (save for the fact that I may have looked up the quote).
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I looked up betabilitarian too, I just thought you might have some more intimate understanding of the way Holmes used it. I qualified with "I guess" to indicate that I was being deferential because you seemed so sure in your comment.
 (2) Like I said, the subject is fine--I just feel like you are experiencing a problem that I often struggle with: you have these metaphors, quotes, and structures you want to use but in the end they detract from the message. Even if you like them and are eloquent, the rather obvious step in my view is to remove the metaphors and replace it with substance. In the end, the essay seems fractured at the midline, because neither idea fits with the other.
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I agree that it is fractured at the midline.
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My confidence in the law school comes from the fact that I am largely in control of my experience here. I feel very comfortable with the odds when I am betting on myself. My confidence in Eben and his class comes from my experience so far. I have a professor who will give me his time and energy, I am thinking harder than I often do, and I am experiencing way more collaboration with my peers than in any class thus far. My deference towards your comments comes from the fact that (a) you were acting pretty sure of yourself, (b) I was responding quickly and not overly concerned with the merits of your argument since I don't plan on making any changes with this paper in the next couple of days, and (c) you didn't enjoy my work.

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 I am not sure how to explain what that "just" is and so I guess I misused Eben's reference to betabilitarian without proper research. I only used two quotations and I kind of like them so sorry that you didn't. Since this paper gives us the ability to hyperlink without adding clutter, I had fun with my multiple metaphors. Everyone should be as pissed as Mr. Kennedy. The boats are a little much, but I do think they are accurate. I want to have a box filled with 1000 different tools for solving a problem and reaching my goal. There I go again... I will work on that metaphor thing next time.

Anyhow, I know that this thing is all over the place, and I eagerly await Eben's feedback so that next time I can write a paper that means something to you Matt. (Note: I do not mean this sarcastically, I want to write something that anyone can read without feeling suffocated, and perhaps even enjoy).

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I share your curiosity and desire for knowledge, albeit, I think we have entirely different approaches and attitudes on the subject.

(1) I think the character you are looking for is not from Holmes but H.A. Rey. At any rate, I don't see why you are deferential to my comments, especially being off the mark on betabilitarian. I did not give you what I believe Holmes is talking about and I also did not give you any evidence to suggest that you were off the mark--and I don't see why I'm any better authority than you are (save for the fact that I may have looked up the quote).

(2) Like I said, the subject is fine--I just feel like you are experiencing a problem that I often struggle with: you have these metaphors, quotes, and structures you want to use but in the end they detract from the message. Even if you like them and are eloquent, the rather obvious step in my view is to remove the metaphors and replace it with substance. In the end, the essay seems fractured at the midline, because neither idea fits with the other.

(3) This is not so much a comment on the paper and more on the philosophy: You, the betabilitarian, place rather large amounts of confidence in your bets with the Law School and Eben (and in my comment, for god knows why).

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