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Legislating Loses: a pathway to making privacy invasion unprofitable

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Companies, by their nature, desire to make money above all else and likewise loath to lose money. However, government regulation rarely acknowledges this and rarely uses it to benefit its citizens. Governments pass countless meaningless regulations to placate the population by showing the citizenry that they are taking action. However, I propose that a straightforward piece of legislation could strike a major blow to corporations' abilities to abuse the privacy rights of their users in a way that hundreds of prior legislations have not. The proposal is to have the government regulate companies by forcing them to pay their users all of the money that the corporation makes off of their information, and importantly that they do this without being allowed to deduct any of the expenses they incur in going about the process of stealing their users information or of marketing that data to information buyers. The goal of such legislation is not for the companies to pay their users for the information that was unwillingly taken and sold, often without the users' awareness, but instead to make the selling of information a negative income stream.
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Corporations exist to make profits for their shareholders and avoid losses. Many corporations in the digital age achieve this by selling user data. State regulations addressing this practice have increased, becoming a concern to data sellers, yet regulations have failed to curb the sale of private data for profit. Though users are increasingly aware and concerned about their data being used and sold, many end up granting access to corporations in what is known as the “privacy paradox”. The paradox stems from a mixture of most people not understanding privacy laws, failure to read and understand user agreements, and lack of leverage arising from the lack of alternatives. While the increase in regulations has been cited as an industry concern and the majority of Americans want increased government regulation, the outcome is a minimal actual change because the regulations expect users to understand the laws, which they seldom fully do, and actively reject corporate information collection.
 

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The intent of this type of legislation is not to create negative profits because it would be irrational to believe corporations would continue to throw money away; the intent is instead the atrophying of the system of data tracking. By making it costly to do evil and cash-neutral to do good, companies will do good despite their inclinations. This would weaken corporations' tendrils of control over people by cutting the beast off from its nourishment. This is not so idealistic a proposal as to believe that this would permanently stop companies from engaging in data brokering activities. However, the intent is that this would cut the income stream off for a few years while they formulate a new way to circumvent this legislation.
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The solution lies in regulation that would make selling user data unprofitable. A 100% tax on data-selling profits would make continued data sales unattractive as it adds cost while creating no profit. This policy places the burden of understanding and complying with the regulation on corporations as they can more easily bear the burden of compliance rather than expecting users to understand the laws and opt out. While a confiscatory tax rate seems unrealistic, similar rates have existed in modern American history. Between 1939 and 1959, a 100% tax rate was levied on social security beneficiaries who made more than a certain amount. A similar tax rate was seen during 1944-1945 and the Eisenhower presidency, with the top tax rate being 94% and 91%, respectively. The policy’s goal is not to tax businesses to increase revenue, rather the goal is to force the producers of negative externalities, in this case the surveillance of users private data, to internalize the costs of their activity and dissuade them from continuing, as Casey Milligan notes that a 100% tax rate on work had on workers. Current state regulations are centered primarily around users opting out and their rights to delete access or correct their data. Since most readers do not completely read agreements seeing them instead as something to get past, they are unlikely to be able to use their data rights fully. Corporations are better informed than individual users, their actions affect all users, and have a momentary incentive to ensure their own compliance, thus it is more effective to make selling data unprofitable for them rather than giving all users the option to opt out.
 
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The ideal outcome is the burgeoning of free software as people finally get a taste of what online freedom is. Without data mining and brokering, people might find the internet more enjoyable; they are not constantly bombarded by ads whenever they mention the ad's topic. They might even look for ways to protect themselves further online in order to see if additional insulation from malevolent companies and governments could further improve how they experience the internet. In the most idealistic world, the bulk of the population will have switched over to the more privacy alternatives to the point where by the time the major corporations find ways to maneuver their way around the legislation, they find that people have lost their appetite to have their data taken in exchange for nothing. Some may go back, but they would likely do so with eyes open and demand that if companies are going to use them, at least they be financially compensated for the value they provide. So, in an ideal world, by the time companies figure out how to start stealing our data so that they can sell us to the lowest bidder, many people will refuse to go back, and the many that do go back will at least have the expectation that they are going to receive some profits from their data, though obviously not the best outcome, so even those that choose to plug back in are no longer nearly as profitable as they once were. The hope is that this sort of environment would be much more hostile to surveillance and data theft, with a sizable, if not majority, slice of the population refusing to plug back into the system, leaving it a crippled shadow of its former self.
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While the above policy seeks to benefit users and remove the perceived harms of data collection, its broad nature causes various problems. First, it does not account for the harm this policy causes to employees. By eliminating all profitability to the activity companies would be encouraged to liquidate the workforce entirely to reduce costs. Furthermore, this proposal sweeps up activity that improves consumers' experiences such as personalized feeds, shopping recommendations, and other beneficial data collection applications would be at risk. Additionally, this proposal ignores that small businesses rely on data collection to market themselves effectively and at lower costs. By enacting this policy, small online businesses and their customers would suffer the knock-on effects. As such, the negative ramifications of this policy would not be isolated to corporations as intended but would affect corporate employees, small businesses, and everyday people. Though people may support more regulation, this policy should not be considered as it negatively impacts all people, and would effectively eliminate rather than regulate the industry.
 
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Sadly the more realistic outcome is a muted version of the ideal. Many people will sadly not care one way or the other because they don't really notice a change; those people are doomed to be replugged into the system with no resistance. The money-driven people that would replug in exchange for financial gains in the ideal scenario would likely still go back but for even fewer gains, which would eventually be whittled down to nothing. The positive of the realistic outcome is that millions of rebellious kids and teens will experience freedom online for the first time, and that may be enough to kindle hope for humanity's future fight for freedom online. The second positive outcome is the influx of users to more safe and private alternatives to mainstream apps and websites. It's possible that enough people stay using software that cares about human freedom that the technology will move from the innovator to the early adopters stage which would be a massive victory for online privacy rights.
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The argument that enacting the policy would harm some employees is true, though regulatory job loss is often temporary and be offset by other hiring. While some jobs may be lost as a result, often regulations will create jobs to help with compliance. This may be the case in companies where the data is not directly monetized but used to ensure a better user experience. In industries where data is used to retain users and increase functionality additional staff may be required to ensure that no features which rely on user data are monetized. While data collection for improving user experience may be problematic this policy is focused solely on curbing the sale of user data for profit. As such this policy would not serve to eliminate the data collection industry but to strictly limit and regulate its uses. While small businesses would lose access to some informational tools the same would be true for larger competitors leading to a more level playfield as a result. Additionally, though a confiscatory tax may not share the same appeal as general regulation it would likely retain popular support as a majority of Americans are frustrated that corporations do not pay their fair share and want more regulation on how their data is used. Furthermore there are mainstream proposals for a 100% tax rate, which are more expansive than the proposed policy. As such the public seems open to a confiscatory tax especially as it is limited in scope. However if the 100% rate is rejected the policy can be modified to a lower rate while largely effectuating similar change.
 
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Conclusion

Thus, the promotion of such legislation would be in humanity's best interest. While it does not solve the problem, it starves the parasites of nutrition and buys time for the agents of human freedom to act with increased flexibility and freedom to bring a true alternative to the rest of the public, which does not understand the technology. Just as the desire for profits have been instrumental in moving companies in the direction of exploiting their users' data, the fear of endless losses can serve to curb the same behavior as the companies, like simple animals, will do what brings them pleasure and will avoid that which causes them pain. This plan is, in essence, to pavlovianly train companies to fear using their user's data to make money.

You're right that a confiscatory liability regime, like a 100% tax rate or a criminal prohibition is likely to reduce somewhat the activity at which the suppressive legal treatment is directed. You are also implying correctly that such a scheme essentially inverting the present immunity subsidy provided to the data-mining industries.
 
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Your comment about free software makes no sense. Please clarify what that has to with your subject.

But the most important route to improvement is to challenge your premise. What is the point of recommending policy that no one actually supports, that has no political relevance or possibility of enactment, for which you cannot muster a single reference to any other thinker or any examples of successful employment of an equivalent policy approach in the real world?

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The informed reader is therefore likely therefore to disregard the idea altogether unless you address the obvious objections. Because you do not relate your idea to any other analysis or descriptive research, the uninformed reader remains uninformed. Effort invested in learning and commitment to serious dialogue with others' ideas will yield substantial improvement, for which there is much need.
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Ultimately, the proposed policy is a step in the right direction that comes with some accompanying cost. The short-term loss of jobs is the most harmful cost of the policy, yet because regulations typically relocates jobs across sectors rather than reducing jobs overall the damage would be temporary. The policy would also result in a new learning curve for online businesses which have become accustomed to using user data. However this would create an equal playing field as all online companies must navigate without user data. Even if all the criticisms about the damage the policy would do were true it would remain worthwhile. While changes in economic activity may occur due to internalizing the negative externality of violating user privacy they serve to better reflect costs that are not currently accounted for.
 


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Legislating Loses: a pathway to making privacy invasion unprofitable

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1: We live in a world where a sufficient number of people could make the government change policies.

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We live in a world where a sufficient number of people could make the government change policies.
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Congress is somehow not lobbied, i.e legally bribed, out of passing a bill that has majority public support.
 

Introduction

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Companies, by their nature, desire to make money above all else and likewise loath to lose money. However, government regulation rarely acknowledges this and rarely uses it to benefit its citizens. Governments pass countless meaningless regulations to placate the population by showing the citizenry that they are taking action. However, I propose that a straightforward piece of legislation could strike a major blow to corporations' abilities to abuse the privacy rights of their users in a way that hundreds of prior legislations have not. The proposal is to have the government regulate companies by forcing them to pay their users all of the money that the corporation makes off of their information, and importantly that they do this without being allowed to deduct any of the expenses they incur in going about the process of stealing their users information or of marketing that data to information buyers. The goal of such legislation is not for the companies to pay their users for the information that was unwillingly taken and sold, often without the users' awareness, but instead to make the selling of information a negative income stream.

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Companies, by their nature, desire to make money above all else and likewise loath to lose money. However, government regulation rarely acknowledges this and rarely uses it to benefit its citizens. Governments pass countless meaningless regulations to placate the population by showing the citizenry that they are taking action. However, I propose that a straightforward piece of legislation could strike a major blow to corporations' abilities to abuse the privacy rights of their users in a way that hundreds of prior legislations have not. The proposal is to have the government regulate companies by forcing them to pay their users all of the money that the corporation makes off of their information, and importantly that they do this without being allowed to deduct any of the expenses they incur in going about the process of stealing their users information or of marketing that data to information buyers. The goal of such legislation is not for the companies to pay their users for the information that was unwillingly taken and sold, often without the users' awareness, but instead to make the selling of information a negative income stream.
 

Intended effects

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The intent of this type of legislation is not to create negative profits because it would be irrational to believe corporations would continue to throw money away; the intent is instead the atrophying of the system of data tracking. By making it costly to do evil and cash-neutral to do good, companies will do good despite their inclinations. This would weaken corporations' tendrils of control over people by cutting the beast off from its nourishment. This is not so idealistic a proposal as to believe that this would permanently stop companies from engaging in data brokering activities. However, the intent is that this would cut the income stream off for a few years while they formulate a new way to circumvent this legislation.

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The intent of this type of legislation is not to create negative profits because it would be irrational to believe corporations would continue to throw money away; the intent is instead the atrophying of the system of data tracking. By making it costly to do evil and cash-neutral to do good, companies will do good despite their inclinations. This would weaken corporations' tendrils of control over people by cutting the beast off from its nourishment. This is not so idealistic a proposal as to believe that this would permanently stop companies from engaging in data brokering activities. However, the intent is that this would cut the income stream off for a few years while they formulate a new way to circumvent this legislation.
 

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The ideal outcome is the burgeoning of free software as people finally get a taste of what online freedom is. Without data mining and brokering, people might find the internet more enjoyable; they are not constantly bombarded by ads whenever they mention the ad's topic. They might even look for ways to protect themselves further online in order to see if additional insulation from malevolent companies and governments could further improve how they experience the internet. In the most idealistic world, the bulk of the population will have switched over to the more privacy alternatives to the point where by the time the major corporations find ways to maneuver their way around the legislation, they find that people have lost their appetite to have their data taken in exchange for nothing. Some may go back, but they would likely do so with eyes open and demand that if companies are going to use them, at least they be financially compensated for the value they provide. So, in an ideal world, by the time companies figure out how to start stealing our data so that they can sell us to the lowest bidder, many people will refuse to go back, and the many that do go back will at least have the expectation that they are going to receive some profits from their data, though obviously not the best outcome, so even those that choose to plug back in are no longer nearly as profitable as they once were. The hope is that this sort of environment would be much more hostile to surveillance and data theft, with a sizable, if not majority, slice of the population refusing to plug back into the system, leaving it a crippled shadow of its former self.

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The ideal outcome is the burgeoning of free software as people finally get a taste of what online freedom is. Without data mining and brokering, people might find the internet more enjoyable; they are not constantly bombarded by ads whenever they mention the ad's topic. They might even look for ways to protect themselves further online in order to see if additional insulation from malevolent companies and governments could further improve how they experience the internet. In the most idealistic world, the bulk of the population will have switched over to the more privacy alternatives to the point where by the time the major corporations find ways to maneuver their way around the legislation, they find that people have lost their appetite to have their data taken in exchange for nothing. Some may go back, but they would likely do so with eyes open and demand that if companies are going to use them, at least they be financially compensated for the value they provide. So, in an ideal world, by the time companies figure out how to start stealing our data so that they can sell us to the lowest bidder, many people will refuse to go back, and the many that do go back will at least have the expectation that they are going to receive some profits from their data, though obviously not the best outcome, so even those that choose to plug back in are no longer nearly as profitable as they once were. The hope is that this sort of environment would be much more hostile to surveillance and data theft, with a sizable, if not majority, slice of the population refusing to plug back into the system, leaving it a crippled shadow of its former self.
 

Realistic outcomes

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Sadly the more realistic outcome is a muted version of the ideal. Many people will sadly not care one way or the other because they don't really notice a change; those people are doomed to be replugged into the system with no resistance. The money-driven people that would replug in exchange for financial gains in the ideal scenario would likely still go back but for even fewer gains, which would eventually be whittled down to nothing. The positive of the realistic outcome is that millions of rebellious kids and teens will experience freedom online for the first time, and that may be enough to kindle hope for humanity's future fight for freedom online. The second positive outcome is the influx of users to more safe and private alternatives to mainstream apps and websites. It's possible that enough people stay using software that cares about human freedom that the technology will move from the innovator to the early adopters stage which would be a massive victory for online privacy rights.

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Sadly the more realistic outcome is a muted version of the ideal. Many people will sadly not care one way or the other because they don't really notice a change; those people are doomed to be replugged into the system with no resistance. The money-driven people that would replug in exchange for financial gains in the ideal scenario would likely still go back but for even fewer gains, which would eventually be whittled down to nothing. The positive of the realistic outcome is that millions of rebellious kids and teens will experience freedom online for the first time, and that may be enough to kindle hope for humanity's future fight for freedom online. The second positive outcome is the influx of users to more safe and private alternatives to mainstream apps and websites. It's possible that enough people stay using software that cares about human freedom that the technology will move from the innovator to the early adopters stage which would be a massive victory for online privacy rights.
 

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hus, the promotion of such legislation would be in humanity's best interest. While it does not solve the problem, it starves the parasites of nutrition and buys time for the agents of human freedom to act with increased flexibility and freedom to bring a true alternative to the rest of the public, which does not understand the technology. Just as the desire for profits have been instrumental in moving companies in the direction of exploiting their users' data, the fear of endless losses can serve to curb the same behavior as the companies, like simple animals, will do what brings them pleasure and will avoid that which causes them pain. This plan is, in essence, to pavlovianly train companies to fear using their user's data to make money.

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Thus, the promotion of such legislation would be in humanity's best interest. While it does not solve the problem, it starves the parasites of nutrition and buys time for the agents of human freedom to act with increased flexibility and freedom to bring a true alternative to the rest of the public, which does not understand the technology. Just as the desire for profits have been instrumental in moving companies in the direction of exploiting their users' data, the fear of endless losses can serve to curb the same behavior as the companies, like simple animals, will do what brings them pleasure and will avoid that which causes them pain. This plan is, in essence, to pavlovianly train companies to fear using their user's data to make money.

You're right that a confiscatory liability regime, like a 100% tax rate or a criminal prohibition is likely to reduce somewhat the activity at which the suppressive legal treatment is directed. You are also implying correctly that such a scheme essentially inverting the present immunity subsidy provided to the data-mining industries.

Your comment about free software makes no sense. Please clarify what that has to with your subject.

But the most important route to improvement is to challenge your premise. What is the point of recommending policy that no one actually supports, that has no political relevance or possibility of enactment, for which you cannot muster a single reference to any other thinker or any examples of successful employment of an equivalent policy approach in the real world?

The informed reader is therefore likely therefore to disregard the idea altogether unless you address the obvious objections. Because you do not relate your idea to any other analysis or descriptive research, the uninformed reader remains uninformed. Effort invested in learning and commitment to serious dialogue with others' ideas will yield substantial improvement, for which there is much need.

 
You are entitled to restrict access to your paper if you want to. But we all derive immense benefit from reading one another's work, and I hope you won't feel the need unless the subject matter is personal and its disclosure would be harmful or undesirable.

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Legislating Loses: a pathway to making privacy invasion unprofitable

-- By GabrielLopez - 25 Oct 2024

presumptions

1: We live in a world where a sufficient number of people could make the government change policies.

2: Congress is somehow not lobbied, i.e legally bribed, out of passing a bill that has majority public support.

Introduction

Companies, by their nature, desire to make money above all else and likewise loath to lose money. However, government regulation rarely acknowledges this and rarely uses it to benefit its citizens. Governments pass countless meaningless regulations to placate the population by showing the citizenry that they are taking action. However, I propose that a straightforward piece of legislation could strike a major blow to corporations' abilities to abuse the privacy rights of their users in a way that hundreds of prior legislations have not. The proposal is to have the government regulate companies by forcing them to pay their users all of the money that the corporation makes off of their information, and importantly that they do this without being allowed to deduct any of the expenses they incur in going about the process of stealing their users information or of marketing that data to information buyers. The goal of such legislation is not for the companies to pay their users for the information that was unwillingly taken and sold, often without the users' awareness, but instead to make the selling of information a negative income stream.

Intended effects

The intent of this type of legislation is not to create negative profits because it would be irrational to believe corporations would continue to throw money away; the intent is instead the atrophying of the system of data tracking. By making it costly to do evil and cash-neutral to do good, companies will do good despite their inclinations. This would weaken corporations' tendrils of control over people by cutting the beast off from its nourishment. This is not so idealistic a proposal as to believe that this would permanently stop companies from engaging in data brokering activities. However, the intent is that this would cut the income stream off for a few years while they formulate a new way to circumvent this legislation.

Ideal outcomes

The ideal outcome is the burgeoning of free software as people finally get a taste of what online freedom is. Without data mining and brokering, people might find the internet more enjoyable; they are not constantly bombarded by ads whenever they mention the ad's topic. They might even look for ways to protect themselves further online in order to see if additional insulation from malevolent companies and governments could further improve how they experience the internet. In the most idealistic world, the bulk of the population will have switched over to the more privacy alternatives to the point where by the time the major corporations find ways to maneuver their way around the legislation, they find that people have lost their appetite to have their data taken in exchange for nothing. Some may go back, but they would likely do so with eyes open and demand that if companies are going to use them, at least they be financially compensated for the value they provide. So, in an ideal world, by the time companies figure out how to start stealing our data so that they can sell us to the lowest bidder, many people will refuse to go back, and the many that do go back will at least have the expectation that they are going to receive some profits from their data, though obviously not the best outcome, so even those that choose to plug back in are no longer nearly as profitable as they once were. The hope is that this sort of environment would be much more hostile to surveillance and data theft, with a sizable, if not majority, slice of the population refusing to plug back into the system, leaving it a crippled shadow of its former self.

Realistic outcomes

Sadly the more realistic outcome is a muted version of the ideal. Many people will sadly not care one way or the other because they don't really notice a change; those people are doomed to be replugged into the system with no resistance. The money-driven people that would replug in exchange for financial gains in the ideal scenario would likely still go back but for even fewer gains, which would eventually be whittled down to nothing. The positive of the realistic outcome is that millions of rebellious kids and teens will experience freedom online for the first time, and that may be enough to kindle hope for humanity's future fight for freedom online. The second positive outcome is the influx of users to more safe and private alternatives to mainstream apps and websites. It's possible that enough people stay using software that cares about human freedom that the technology will move from the innovator to the early adopters stage which would be a massive victory for online privacy rights.

Conclusion

hus, the promotion of such legislation would be in humanity's best interest. While it does not solve the problem, it starves the parasites of nutrition and buys time for the agents of human freedom to act with increased flexibility and freedom to bring a true alternative to the rest of the public, which does not understand the technology. Just as the desire for profits have been instrumental in moving companies in the direction of exploiting their users' data, the fear of endless losses can serve to curb the same behavior as the companies, like simple animals, will do what brings them pleasure and will avoid that which causes them pain. This plan is, in essence, to pavlovianly train companies to fear using their user's data to make money.


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