I am lucky, in that my name begins with a C and Eben edited my paper a long time ago. Still, it took me some time to inure myself to the scary red ink and actually digest his comments. His notes, along with this class, raise some issues I find both interesting and very complicated and I welcome your thoughts and help in sorting them out. (You can read his edits here - CarolineFerrisWhiteFirstPaper)

If I understand correctly, Eben sees empathy and empathic responses as one way of distinguishing between criminal/antisocial and social behavior. The ready distinction seems to be between those who feel for and can imagine the experiences of others, leading them to treat others with respect, and those who for whatever reason can't imagine the experiences of others, and so think only of their own interests and desires. But it's not always so clear: Eben points to the case of the empathic individual who nonetheless behaves antisocially, and the complex system of internal justifications this creates. Probably most people who commit crimes fall into this category.

This brings me to another concept from this class that has been gnawing at me: the idea that we all are a bundle of disparate selves, multiple personalities. Does this concept resonate with anyone else? Someone who is not suffering from some breakdown in empathy, but nonetheless hurts another person, must have something less than a fully integrated set of selves. Is that what is going on? Do we need to find better get our multiple personae to talk to each other?

Empathy also seems to be a way of thinking about the discussion at DoingWrongByNotDoing. Being open to the hurts of the world while simultaneously doing nothing about them is a toxic combination. I thought law school would toughen me up; instead I feel even more like a rod for every passing emotional lighting bolt.

It's getting late, and this is inchoate. I suppose what I'm really doing is asking for help resolving some of these ideas which seem connected to me, but whose connection I'm having trouble tracking.

-- CarolineFerrisWhite - 01 Apr 2010

With disparate personalities, which come in different forms and intensities, the goal is to achieve as much cohesion as possible. A lot of that comes with experience, maturity, compassion, humility, and self-contemplation. The many layers of personality could provide one (partial) explanation as to why crime rates are highest within the youth population. But I also think that the environment shapes and produces much of the polychotomy that can lead to aberrant behaviour. Thus, I do not think that the law should put too much, if any, emphasis on the good/bad distinction that you draw out. If the law is what it does, it can do that best without discriminating between the Holmes person citizen who merely cares about the law so that he doesn't break them (and when he does he regrets not the consequences of his actions but rather his failure to avoid his own punishment) and our moral citizen who shows remorse for his actions.

-- MohitGourisaria - 01 Apr 2010

Hi Caroline, >Being open to the hurts of the world while simultaneously doing nothing about them is a toxic combination.
This is so true, and I struggle with it also. I'm proud of what I have done with my life so far in terms of helping working people. However, there are many other causes in the world that are equally or more urgent. My personal fixations are on the war in Congo and sex trafficking. Seriously doing anything about these issues -- not even to the John Brown level, just say working for an NGO -- would require moving to other countries and enduring a physically uncomfortable lifestyle. I'm too chicken to do it. The most satisfactory advice I ever received on this subject was from my faculty advisor when I was an undergrad: give money. When I'm working, I put a regular monthly deduction on my credit card for NGO that work in these areas. Right now I have no income, but I still donate periodically. This is the best antidote I know to the toxic combination.

Speaking of John Brown: I always thought he was regarded as a major American hero. When I was in high school history class, I wondered why he didn't have a monument on the Mall or something like that. I assumed that most people also regard him as insane just because most people would be afraid do what he did. Since taking this class, some students and Eben have pointed out that mine is actually not the majority opinion, which has surprised me.

-- KalliopeKefallinos - 01 Apr 2010

You say a lot here, so I will only comment on the multiple personalities issue. I do not believe Eben was saying we should strive towards cohesion. I don't even think cohesion is possible. The goal is rather one of self-awareness. For example, since Eben mentioned this phenomenon, I did further reading on the topic and began to try to pay better attention to myself as I interacted with others, waiting to see if I could decipher different personalities emerging in different contexts with different people. I personally did notice changes-- but I won't go into them here. The next step would be to understand whyyy this or that personality was created or why it emerges in particular contexts. The result is learning how to better understand and then control oneself on a deeper level-- that is, to learn to exist with multiple personalities and use them to your advantage.

To the writer above: I think self-awareness of the kind that you allude to eventually leads to cohesion or something like it. If I am aware of all my roles and personalities, and know which one to marshal in any given situation, then at the very least, I have a dominant personality that regulates those activities. The complex process of self-observation that you just described seems to involve a coherent "you" that watched, objectively, what went on, with all the other "yous". To me, that objective observer implies some over-arching personality whose goal is to integrate all the other personalities into a functional framework so that you get what you need (or don't go plumb mad). Can't that functional framework be seen as some attempt at cohesion?

Slightly tangentially, it'd be interesting to explore how much of our own internal social organization, if it can be called that, mirrors society itself.

-- KrishnaSutaria - 02 Apr 2010

This is a test to see if the wiki identifies me as Kalliope. The post above that starts "Hi Caroline" is actually by Amanda. Kalliope, if this is happening because you and I have the same password, that is an amazing coincidence. They say great minds think alike!

-- AmandaBell - 02 Apr 2010

Not to be rude, but looking at the history button (top right), the wiki is not mistaking you two. It is probably some sort of (human) error in editing and misplacing (or omitting) time stamps.

-- MatthewZorn - 02 Apr 2010